Topics Covered:
- Jason’s adoption story and upbringing
- Learning about God from different streams of historic Christianity
- Why worship is more than just expression
- Whether Jason sees himself as a worship leader
- The pressure to be a Christian influencer
- When to be spontaneous in worship
- Song stories
Resources Mentioned:
- Show Sponsor: Dwell Bible (50% off)
- Show Sponsor: Planning Center
- Mothers & Fathers, Sisters & Sons by Jason Upton
- Raids on the Unspeakable by Thomas Merton
Show Sponsor #1: Dwell Bible
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Show Sponsor #2: Planning Center
This episode is brought to you by Planning Center, helping you sync all your ministry details across your whole church.
Planning Center has become so essential to how I manage a team, that it’s almost impossible to consider local church ministry without it anymore.
Today, I want to leave you with a PCO pro-tip.
Does this sound like a familiar situation? It’s the end of the week. You’re about to leave the office when you suddenly think: Did all of our volunteers confirm for Sunday? You scroll through the schedule and sure enough—there’s a gap.
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